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Aug 21 2008, 10:30 AM
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: 10-October 06 From: London Member No.: 13,148 |
Direct ad sales are the contracts you take to display advertising for someone who contacts you directly. This is likely to generate the highest value ad campaigns you will run because they have specifically chosen your website as a good fit for their advertising based on your content and website visitors. But when you are getting started it's hard to decide what to charge.
A Bain/IAB study on online ad pricing found that the "average realized CPMs on ad networks ranged from $0.60-$1.10, versus $10-$20 in direct-sold display inventory". Based on this you might try and sell your direct ad sales at 10x your ad network eCPM. We've commented on this in the past when Jason from UpToTen shared his method for pricing direct ad sales which boils down to "charge 5x your ad network eCPM". Ultimately, pricing direct ad sales comes down to finding a price which advertisers are willing to pay. How are you pricing your direct ad sales? |
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Aug 21 2008, 10:39 AM
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: 10-October 06 From: London Member No.: 13,148 |
Quick follow up on this.
I expect that the more direct ad sales you run the lower your ad network eCPM. This might happen because you are using your higher value inventory for direct ad sales which leaves your less valuable inventory for ad networks to try and monetise. Direct ad sales contracts may require targeting like: - only show ads to one country (geo-targeting) - don't show the ad more than 5 times to each visitor (frequency capping) |
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Aug 21 2008, 12:35 PM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: 14-May 08 Member No.: 21,343 |
When deciding our prices last year we made a quick survey of what prices other big websites in our country (Sweden) had, and we found the average to be around 18 USD for 1 000 impressions (with some variations depending on market, size etc, of course).
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Aug 21 2008, 11:12 PM
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: 10-October 06 From: London Member No.: 13,148 |
When deciding our prices last year we made a quick survey of what prices other big websites in our country (Sweden) had, and we found the average to be around 18 USD for 1 000 impressions (with some variations depending on market, size etc, of course). Thanks Kejsaren, that's a good approach. I thought I'd link to a related blog post which shows how OpenX publishers package their direct ad sales. The surprise here was that 38% package in a tenancy arrangement where payment is based on displaying ads for a fixed period of time, regardless of the number of impressions. http://blog.openx.org/08/how-do-you-price-...ad-space-sales/ |
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Aug 22 2008, 06:45 AM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: 14-May 08 Member No.: 21,343 |
How many replies did you get on the survey?
I am surprised that selling clicks is so unpopular, considering the popularity of Adwords, but as an adseller I can understand it cause even on very niched sites the CTR tends to be low (at least on our sites), and thus the prices for each click must be very high. Can´t you make another survey on "How much do you charge per thousand pagewiews?" ! |
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Aug 22 2008, 08:11 AM
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 182 Joined: 10-October 06 From: London Member No.: 13,148 |
Hi Karta
Two thoughts on this. People don't generally like to share their CPMs since it's competitive information, also CPM's vary dramatically based on the nature of your website. I think you technique for looking at the published direct ad sales CPM's is a very effective technique of estimating though. I suspect that small publishers find charging on a tenancy arrangement simply easier to manage. I'd love to hear some other opinions about this. cheers, Oliver |
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Aug 22 2008, 09:24 AM
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 41 Joined: 14-May 08 Member No.: 21,343 |
"Karta" is me?
We were able to find surprisingly many price charts on our competitors, or just other companies, websites. I think that tenancy is 1) easier to manage for the siteowner 2) more "familiar" for the advertisers ("what does impression mean anyway...") Yes, the prices we found varied with 100% or more, depending on niche of site, kind of customer etc We also used tenancy to start wtih, just because we didn´t have any ad management system at the time. But then: how do you set prices for that? You divide time by amount of impressions A survey would give anonymous replies.... |
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Sep 3 2008, 04:37 PM
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Beginner ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: 18-November 03 Member No.: 638 |
I sell my ad inventory based on a fixed period of time, rather than impressions.
I've found that advertisers in my niche prefer the fixed time period because they are used to buying ads in "traditional" media like magazines/newspapers that follow the same "time based" format. They may run an ad in a "6 issues" of a monthly magazine. That usually covers about 6 months of exposure, but the real "impressions" in traditional media is much harder to track than it is online, so the media seller's in those industry sell the overall "exposure" rather than the "impressions". In my niche, that's who I'm competing with mostly. Not other website publishers, but magazine/newspaper publishers who get top dollar and deliver less impact. I think that a well targeted website with the right audience can deliver a much better value than ads in a newspaper or magazine. It's much easier for a potential customer to take a direct action from a web ad than it is for an offline media ad where a person has to stop what they are doing and move to a computer or phone to take action. So I price appropriately |
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Sep 3 2008, 06:10 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 24-July 08 From: Burlington, Vermont, USA Member No.: 22,403 |
After we launched our site earlier this year, we quickly realized you can't charge a CPM. You have no track record. So we charged a flat fee or sponsor fee. There's a monthly rate, 6x and 12x rate (similar to the publishing world).
Before we set those rates, we researched other local sites and offline publishers so we could be positioned appropriately. It's worked well. No one has had any complaints (if anything we may not be charging enough). We now have more than a dozen advertisers. We use display and text ads. And you are not just selling clicks but the impressions have a value too. Getting one's brand out there is important. Also, we are very flexible (thanks to OpenX) with how we place our client's campaigns. For instance, if they want to buy a month but really want to promote different things for a week over the course of two months, then no problem. OpenX allows you to start/stop very easily. |
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Sep 8 2008, 01:52 PM
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Beginner ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 8-September 08 Member No.: 23,140 |
On my forum I get £0.5 UK Sterling CPM on direct sales. I don't spend any time pursuing potential advertisers though. They can come to me.
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Sep 23 2008, 05:27 PM
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Beginner ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 23-September 08 Member No.: 23,358 |
Hi, this is brucely. I want to buy your product. But you didn't given full details about your product and the your address information. So please give full details about your product.
========================================= brucely For Sale By Owner |
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Jun 25 2009, 09:08 PM
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Beginner ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 25-June 09 Member No.: 28,900 |
I think that prices should be set according to offer and demand, if more demand the higher the price, if demand less the price is down…. but usually we use average prices
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Sep 26 2009, 01:34 PM
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Beginner ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 26-September 09 Member No.: 52,371 |
I have a 10 websites sir how and others have a pagerank and unique visitors a day can you help find a direct advertiser for site sir. heres my email. ferdznet@gmail.com
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Sep 26 2009, 01:48 PM
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Beginner ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 26-September 09 Member No.: 52,371 |
I have a 10 websites sir how and others have a pagerank and unique visitors a day can you help find a direct advertiser for site sir. heres my email. ferdznet@gmail.com
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Nov 4 2009, 05:37 AM
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Beginner ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3 Joined: 2-November 09 Member No.: 64,911 |
Does anyone know, how ad networks make money? Do they take percentage from publishers or advertisers and how many?
Thanks in advance. Alex. |
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